Capturing some conversations that happened in Telegram that will be otherwise lost forever (I had missed them for example)
Jim Kosem @jkosem
(in reply to my post)
Iāve been thinking a lot along the same lines. One thing though would be how to organise and potentially stake each ājobā. Would each have to have its own charter of sorts?
The charter (or whatever you would want to call it, āconstitutionā may be a bit offputting) could define how it would run, most importantly what defines success and pay out scales
and then in theory there would be votes on this
Charlie Ellington @charlieellington
I've been chatting to someone about something similar. It might not work on all contexts.
At the end of a project or weekly sprint. The people on the project vote on the input of the individual team/project members. Funds/payment is then distributed based on the contribution.
Jim Kosem @jkosem
Ah thats interesting and I agree, would not work in all contexts. Would have to be quite task specific.
Charlie Ellington
I've been chatting to someone about something similar. It might not work on all contexts. At the end of a project or weekly sp
Why would you vote at the end of the sprint? Shouldnāt it be before start?
I guess the issue is how to define value and that you did what you said you were going to do. Much harder in design realms. I think its possible though if there was some sort of user story sort of mechanism - meaning that the story is fulfilled then its done, and thus paid or paid into a pot
this might again require some sort of vote or stake
at which point the designer/worker in question might feel like he needs to jump through a lot of hoops - whereas in theory he isnāt. In fact you would be not having to deal with all sorts of usual agency nonsense like multiple, subjective and potentially baseless restarts, etc.
Charlie Ellington @charlieellington
I think it wouldn't work in a lot of cases. We were coming from the context of solving a creative problem. You run a session to solve it. Then at the end of the session. The group votes on people's input.
In that case, it would be a system to make sure no one was rewarded for just showing up and making no input.
Jim Kosem @jkosem
So from a workshop as a payable thing
Iāve worked with people before who use and define design tasks quite well - quantifying a creative task is hard though
Lili CryptoDecks @lililashka
The combination of reputation system and staking/voting system based on the amount/difficulty of work would work. There are many elements crucial to the success of the project that are difficult to quantify (care, level of participation, etc). Went to a workshop by P2P foundation recently and we were discussing about this
Jim Kosem @jkosem
Do you have any links by any chance?
You would have to potentially incorporate some agile sorts of ceremony on each thing/card/task, but it could work in terms of quantifying complexity instead of how long it will take
so if youāre using the fibonacci scoring, you might be able to link that task complexity score to a price somehow
Lili CryptoDecks @lililashka
Unfortunately the sess was not recorded. But what they proposed called āDistributed Cooperative Organisationā ā instead of the usual DAO
Jim Kosem
Good to have a new name
Well hopefully weāll see some more of this come out - happy to help in discussion, etc.
@Lililashka let me know
James Hancock
DCo-op pronounced āDee coh opā or Distributed Cooperative.
Definition of a Coperative "A cooperative (also known as co-operative, co-op, or coop) is "an autonomous association of persons united voluntarily to meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs and aspirations through a jointly-owned and democratically-controlled enterprise".
Being an organization is implied in being a Cooperative. So no need to leave in the O.
Sounds a bit nicer to me
Jim Kosem
Yeah good point. I would agree. Distributed Cooperative.
Try saying Decentralised Autonomous Organisation three times fast
James Hancock
A bit more info on Coops for those itereseted.
Jim Kosem @jkosem
I suppose a cooperative is by default distributed in a sense
James Hancock
distributed in a blockchain sense way for DCoops
As a subset of a DAO
an example of distinction, Governance of my project I hope to be a dao where stakeholders can signal what we prioritize working on.
But I wouldn't say it is a Co-op because there is no "Economic participation by members"
They aren't working on the site or improving the Econmomic prospects for other group members who are members of the site.
Jim Kosem @jkosem
Whats the project? Iāve been chatting with people about organising design work this way
James Hancock
Jim Kosem
Whats the project? Iāve been chatting with people about organising design work this way
It is Tennagraph. A signalling website for ethereum where stake holders can signal their stances on EIPs
Much like http://coin.dance